TowerEngineer
Structural
- Apr 26, 1999
- 47
This was posted by MikeVV:
On engineering history: I have been studying the Uniform Building Code and often wonder why the requirements exist as they are written - what event promulgated the requirement of interest? I would love to see a compilation of the major catastrophies that drove the various requirements in the code. This would give me an understanding of the intent and help justify the expense of compliance. Is anyone aware of such a listing? How about for the International Building Code?
Mike Van Voorhis
MJVanVoorhis@CS.com
My response was:
To MikeVV on the subject of engineering history:
I began building and non-building structural design in 1981. We were using the 1979 UBC for wind and seismic loading. Back then it seemed like a "major code revision" involved simple (or not so simple) change of a single force factor in determining wind or seismic forces. For example, the "K" factor for seismic loads was reduced from 1.33 to 1.0 for wood frame construction in the 1982 UBC.
But then along came ANSI A58.1-1982 and the whole applecart was turned upside down, wherein not only were the wind forces dramitically increased, but the methodology in determining the lateral force (lateral force design procedure) became much more complicated and time consuming. Those changes in the design procedure and lateral force coefficients were quickly adopted by ICBO and incorporated into the 1982 UBC. There were such gross errors in the wind design procedures contained in the 1982 UBC (like forgetting to include a 2/3 factor for cylindrical objects) that I for many years chose to use the source document for design purposes instead of the UBC.
Things went along pretty smoothly until Applied Technology Council came out with its proposed seismic design procedures which were a complete computational nightmare as far as the structural engineer was concerned. This prompted SEAOC to take the initiative in undertaking a complete re-write of their "Blue Book" so that SEAOC would remain the driving force with respect to seismic design procedures. The major seismic design revisions contained in the 1988 UBC are more or less the result of turf protection on the part of SEAOC. I served on the SEAOCC Seismology Committee in 1983-1984 and have some good insight into the battle that has continued ever since between ATC and SEAOC.
The question is: "Other than the fact that the total base shear required under the more complicated and more recent wind and seismic design standards and codes have significantly increased in the last 20 years, are the buildings designed under the newer code provisions (say since 1982) significantly "safer" than the buildings that were designed under the old lateral force design procedures?" Other than the Northridge Earthquake, we really haven't seen any empirical evidence that there were any deficiencies in the older design codes and standards with respect to wind or seismic loads. With respect to Northridge, that seismic occurrence was not evidence of any shortcoming in the seismic design standard, but rather convincingly demonstrated that the design detail of welded Steel Moment Frame Connections was lacking. This single deficiency does not justify the plethora of code revisions since 1982 and is not addressed in the new codes anyway. You still have to look to the SEAOC "Blue Book" or other Advisory documents or standards in order to design a competent ductile welded moment connection.
I think an Engineering History forum can serve as a very useful tool helping to answer the foregoing question. It can also serve as a tool in discovering how things used to be engineered "in the good old days". I am currently doing some research on wind and seismic design procedures dating back to the 1850's. I am more than a little curious to know what lateral forces were applied to the Brooklyn and Golden Gate bridges in their design and how those forces compare to the lateral forces required by today's codes.
I am fortunate in that I have a set of engineering plans for a structure that was designed in 1937. Those plans contain wind and seismic lateral force diagrams on the drawings. It was very interesting to discover that the applied lateral loads were between 1/2 and 1/6th of the lateral force required under today's standards (based on the same reference design wind speed of 90 MPH). Unfortunately, there isn't enough detail in the calculations to determine how the wind speed translated to lateral force. I just found a reference to a book published in 1930 by John Wiley and Sons that may shed some light on the subject. I will share that info if I can locate the book.
Please add your comments to this thread so that we may keep the discusiion going (especially if you have some experience with design codes and methodology prior to the 1970's).
TowerEngineer
On engineering history: I have been studying the Uniform Building Code and often wonder why the requirements exist as they are written - what event promulgated the requirement of interest? I would love to see a compilation of the major catastrophies that drove the various requirements in the code. This would give me an understanding of the intent and help justify the expense of compliance. Is anyone aware of such a listing? How about for the International Building Code?
Mike Van Voorhis
MJVanVoorhis@CS.com
My response was:
To MikeVV on the subject of engineering history:
I began building and non-building structural design in 1981. We were using the 1979 UBC for wind and seismic loading. Back then it seemed like a "major code revision" involved simple (or not so simple) change of a single force factor in determining wind or seismic forces. For example, the "K" factor for seismic loads was reduced from 1.33 to 1.0 for wood frame construction in the 1982 UBC.
But then along came ANSI A58.1-1982 and the whole applecart was turned upside down, wherein not only were the wind forces dramitically increased, but the methodology in determining the lateral force (lateral force design procedure) became much more complicated and time consuming. Those changes in the design procedure and lateral force coefficients were quickly adopted by ICBO and incorporated into the 1982 UBC. There were such gross errors in the wind design procedures contained in the 1982 UBC (like forgetting to include a 2/3 factor for cylindrical objects) that I for many years chose to use the source document for design purposes instead of the UBC.
Things went along pretty smoothly until Applied Technology Council came out with its proposed seismic design procedures which were a complete computational nightmare as far as the structural engineer was concerned. This prompted SEAOC to take the initiative in undertaking a complete re-write of their "Blue Book" so that SEAOC would remain the driving force with respect to seismic design procedures. The major seismic design revisions contained in the 1988 UBC are more or less the result of turf protection on the part of SEAOC. I served on the SEAOCC Seismology Committee in 1983-1984 and have some good insight into the battle that has continued ever since between ATC and SEAOC.
The question is: "Other than the fact that the total base shear required under the more complicated and more recent wind and seismic design standards and codes have significantly increased in the last 20 years, are the buildings designed under the newer code provisions (say since 1982) significantly "safer" than the buildings that were designed under the old lateral force design procedures?" Other than the Northridge Earthquake, we really haven't seen any empirical evidence that there were any deficiencies in the older design codes and standards with respect to wind or seismic loads. With respect to Northridge, that seismic occurrence was not evidence of any shortcoming in the seismic design standard, but rather convincingly demonstrated that the design detail of welded Steel Moment Frame Connections was lacking. This single deficiency does not justify the plethora of code revisions since 1982 and is not addressed in the new codes anyway. You still have to look to the SEAOC "Blue Book" or other Advisory documents or standards in order to design a competent ductile welded moment connection.
I think an Engineering History forum can serve as a very useful tool helping to answer the foregoing question. It can also serve as a tool in discovering how things used to be engineered "in the good old days". I am currently doing some research on wind and seismic design procedures dating back to the 1850's. I am more than a little curious to know what lateral forces were applied to the Brooklyn and Golden Gate bridges in their design and how those forces compare to the lateral forces required by today's codes.
I am fortunate in that I have a set of engineering plans for a structure that was designed in 1937. Those plans contain wind and seismic lateral force diagrams on the drawings. It was very interesting to discover that the applied lateral loads were between 1/2 and 1/6th of the lateral force required under today's standards (based on the same reference design wind speed of 90 MPH). Unfortunately, there isn't enough detail in the calculations to determine how the wind speed translated to lateral force. I just found a reference to a book published in 1930 by John Wiley and Sons that may shed some light on the subject. I will share that info if I can locate the book.
Please add your comments to this thread so that we may keep the discusiion going (especially if you have some experience with design codes and methodology prior to the 1970's).
TowerEngineer