SE v21: Menu structure

[NZMark]

Hi All,

I am a bit disturbed by the new menu style in Solid Edge V21 (running under XP or Vista), i.e. the quasi-MS Office 2007 look.

Surprisingly, I didn't find any discussion (here or elsewhere) on this.

Is there anyway to set it back to the previous classic menus (e.g. V20)? I guess I'd even pay extra for that!

Many thanks, MT.

 

[donyoung]

IIRC Foundation USD 4995, Classic USD 6500
EURO Zone: multiply the US price by 1.36 to get the EUR price
this however, may vary from contry to country (SWX: the factor is 1.65 approx.)

dy

 

[Gemnoc]

>click the help button on the upper right, the about is at the
>bottom of the help index.

Thanks Don, I should have thought to try this button...

>BTW: very nice are also the functions on the Draw button where
>each icon represents a pulldown with the default icon shown
>(static) So you have to remember which additional function
>is on which pulldown and then you have to open it select
>the function and head on. What an ergonomic UI ...

Agreed!!! The one that frustrates me the most is the Mirror pull down. I never use Mirror Copy Part, so I need 2 clicks to get at the Mirror Copy Feature. In V20 and prior, the last used command is the one that remains "on top" of a pulldown menu. Why did they change this behavior?

 

[karmoh]

Hi Guy's

Although this subject is interesting, I was astounded at how the cost of seats (licenses) differ. Here in new Zealand. Last year I paid $16,700.00 for V20+(V100), maintainence is due soon $3,700.00ish. I realise the pound and american dollar drive the economy, but the wage structure in New Zealand works out at about NZ$ = UK pound. The cost is not relative to exchange. geez..........

Sorry for getting off subject

 

[donyoung]

continue OT

here is what I found so far.
This years pricing is down (all NZ$) :

$4900 for a node locked design and draft
$9100 for a node locked foundation
$9450 for a floating foundation
$12350 for a node locked classic
$12690 for a floating classic

dy

 

[karmoh]

Hi Don,

I have the node locked classic, you'll have to add GST tax of 12.5% to the 12350 = 13893.75, but it's still a significant saving. it's always the same, damned if you do (wait) or damned don't (buy).

Being predominantly Sheetmetal, i'm skirting around the issue of renewing maintainence, I'm very happy with V20 and it's still being supported with updates for now............but for how long.

ST may take a year or two to reach a decent level of useability, I don't care much for paying to wait.

soory hijacking this thread!

 

[Gemnoc]

Hey Karmoh,

I'm actually the one who made the purchase of Solid Edge for my ex-employer/now occasional client back in 2007. I don't remember the price we paid, we got a deal with our VAR for 2 node-locked Foundation licences by upgrading an existing V14 licence we had (the software was never used, can you believe it). But I believe it was cheaper, including one year maintenance times 2, plus training for two, than what you've paid, dollar for dollar, your lone licence + maintenance!

I think the prices here in Canada are close to the US ones. We were paying $1950CAD for maintenance for each licence (currently 1CAD = 0.86USD). With the current state of the economy, they chose to not renew this year. A pity, since ST2 brings some "improvments" on the UI, and brings SynchTech to the Sheetmetal environment.

 

[karmoh]

Don,

Are the prices you've shown for the product only? this was the case for me, I then had to add the first years maintainence which would bring it up to similar to what I paid.
In NZ the first years maintainence is not added in the advertised prices.

 

[teebarr]

Karmoh
I also do a fair bit of sheet metal and you a correct that ST1 didn't add anything to this environment - so in some ways there is no upgrade benefit.
That said, it has been a good opportunity to get used to the new UI as well as get my head around sync.

Considering it is a first realease, ST1 is really pretty good (when compared to Autodesk Fusion it looks mature!) and very useable for certain types of parts. I have no reason to believe sheetmetal in ST2 will not be fully useable in the next release in Sept/Oct. What is still missing is part copies and accociative IPC. However, the ability to edit parts simultainiously within an assembly is pretty useful.
Tony

 

[donyoung]

karmoh,

prices shown should be the base prices without maintenance
and AFAIK without VAT/GST

 

[Gemnoc]

Juste stumbled on this. I think it sums up pretty well the general sentiment about the Ribbon UI in Solid Edge ST.

Linky

;-)

 

[JonGD]

Like any change, you do get used to it!!

We made the move back in April and after some teething troubles everyone is up and running. There is still a bit of frustration at times with users who use it less frequently, but it's just a time thing really.

As an organisation we quickly realised that we had two choices:

Stick with the old, familiar, system which we all know but accept the fact that we will get further and further behind as the software becomes progressively more obsolete - and ultimately totally unsupported.

Or

Just get on with it, take the hit and get used to the GUI that is going to be present for the foreseeable future.

That said we are still using the traditional elements of the software, so it has been a bit toe-in-the-water for us - the lack of constraints on the ST side concerns us

As an enterprise we took the decision to look forwards rather than backwards and make sure that we are keeping pace of the game.


Jon