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grid tie solar electricity with optimizers and inverters what would reduce the dc input voltage 6

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advidana

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Dec 24, 2002
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The Grid tie solar system a house was design to be overdriven for maximum continuous solar power during daylight cycle. The utility is 120/240 VAC single phase system 200 amp service. It has a 76kw SE7600-US Solaredge inverter with 28 Solaredge P320 power optimizers mounted externally on the side of the house adjacent to the meter. Each optimizer has a 300 watt Q-peak G4 solar panel (module) connect in parallel to it mounted on the roof facing east with no obstructions. The optimizers are suppose to be connected in three strings 9-9-10. The three strings are connected in a j box on the roof and run in EMT with # 8 cu wire to the inverter about 25 feet away. The workmanship and code compliance of the installation is excellent. The system works is producing 5250 watts at 240 VAC 60 HZ output. The inverter had a monitor reading display of 240 VAC-247 VDC-5250 PAC was taken at the installer about 2 pm in September on a cloudless day in southern Nevada.

The inverter is presently turned off waiting for the utility to connect their meters used for solar power. I will be monitoring it closely once the inverter power is on. With the power off the optimizer produce a safe power of 1 volt DC each. With the invertor off- The input voltage to the inverter input terminals is 13.03 volts DC.


My concern is that the Dc voltage is low at 246 VDC- it is suppose to be a constant 360 VDC. Per vendor specification-This 360 DC volt will be maintained if the string optimizers are connected in series string length a minimum of 8 to a maximum of 25. The inverter nameplate voltage operating voltage range is 270 -500 VDC.

The Electrical contactor who installed the system claims that some lower voltages are normal for this systems and that the Dc voltage reading was read in error by his technician that installed the system-That appears reasonable to me based on his experience. He claims the voltage would be 288 VDC from the strings in parallel. the lowest string 9 string would clamp the voltage to it voltage output of 288 VDC and projected amperes of 29.1 based of full peak wattage of 86400 from solar panels . He also said the current would increase to compensate for the lower voltage to maintain normal solar power output-also reasonable. His logic is coorrect for solar panels strings without optimizers. I have read on the internet that this is also normal for other manufactures optimizers and inverter.

I called the hot line from the manufacture twice- one reprehensive claimed the some of the optimizers could be connected backward causing reverse polarity problem's and he said that if a string was less that 8 the optimizer that string would shut off. The other representative claimed that the system was overdriven to high causing the lower voltage and was not cause by reverse polarity. They both thought the contractor was mistaken.

I don't have practical experience with this type of solar system. The inverters maximum input current is 23 amps and has short circuit protection of 45 amps so the # 8 copper stranded feeder from the roof are protected. I don't know if the input is current limited or it is some value of a Time Current curve for a current limiting fuse or breaker.


Is this normal or is there a problem to be concerned with.

 
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You are already at less than 4% power level, so it's not going to drop until you get much closer to sunset, or sunrise. As can be seen in the attached photo, 45 minutes after sunrise, with practically no power, the voltage is pretty decent already.

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Interesting approach- generates lower cost than having microinverters on every panel I guess?
 
Thanks for the first hand info and for the pictures, IR.
advidana; Is a reading, reporting error the cause of the first suspect DC voltage reading? (247 VDC)

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First -I was with the electrician when he recorded the 247 VDC . Saw the same value he did. T told him shouldn't it be about 370 VDC. He said no it was common to read lower voltages. I was not experience with this entire set up so I decided to check around that's how this wound up in this forum.

Second-The reading this morning started out great at 7:20 am it was about 2600 watt ac holding at 370 VDC (Voltage fluctuated a couple of volts). it peak out from about 9 Am to 11:30 am at 5,900 watts still at 370 VDC at a temp of 79 degrees F. My solar panels are mounted on the roof that is facing due east with about a 15 degree incline. For this time of year having 5,900 is great


I guess the heat must have caused the voltage to drop. it was 105 degree that day. So SKOGSGURRA was correct the heat caused the DC voltage to drop. The tech said it was common cause he has been installing these all summer with temp of 110 f or more. So it must be common here to see low voltages.
 
Thanks again IRstuff-It's part of the 20 year warrantee that the installer monitors my inverter. His site allow a lot of information to be displayed to me thought the internet. he uses some type of wireless monitor that is connected hard wire to my internet router. I have it installed as an app on my cell phone too.
 
The installer commissioned my solar system tonight. He also mention that this particular Solaredge model SE-7600-Us will work with battery backup or off grid. This to know for future modifications. He said not all of Solaredge models will do this.
 
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