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Forming Strains under ASME VIII-1 vs ASME VIII-2 2

MchA

Mechanical
Dec 5, 2023
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Hello everyone,

I am seeking clarification on the classification of forming strains under ASME VIII-1 UG-79 and ASME VIII-2 Table 6.1, particularly for spherical caps, such as those used in floating head heat exchangers or intermediate heads with Y-forgings.

Under ASME VIII-1 Table UG-79-1, these components appear to fall under Case 2, which applies to parts with double curvature (e.g., heads). This typically includes elliptical and torispherical heads, but would it also apply to hemispherical heads or spherical caps, despite having a constant radius of curvature?

My interpretation is that hemispherical and spherical caps are still double-curved since they have curvature in both the meridional and circumferential directions. Can anyone confirm whether this is correct? Or is Case 2 specifically intended for heads with two different radii (i.e., crown and knuckle)?

Turning to ASME VIII-2 Table 6.1, classification seems to depend on the fabrication process. If a spherical cap is formed from a single plate, would it fall under the first row:

“For all one-piece, double-curved circumferential products, formed by any process that includes dishing or cold spinning (e.g., dished heads or cold spun heads)”

Could a spherical cap, even with a constant radius of curvature, qualify as a “one-piece, double-curved circumferential product” under this definition?
Alternatively, if the cap is formed from multiple segments, I assume it would fall under the third row:

“For heads that are assembled from formed segments (e.g., spherical dished shell plates or dished segments of elliptical or torispherical heads)”

Could one argue that a spherical cap, even when formed from a single piece, is conceptually similar to the top portion of a segmented head and therefore classified under the third row? Or is classification strictly based on the fabrication method (i.e., one-piece vs. welded segmented)?

I’d appreciate any feedback or insights based on your experience.
Thanks in advance!
 
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Elliptical ≠ Ellipsoidal
Also, the interpretation you quoted acknowledges there is a knuckle on an ellipsoidal head.
You haven't answered where it is required to measure actual strains even.

In addition, if you're dishing and spinning a head, you'll need to have a crown radius and a knuckle radius.
@r6155 🤡
 
@ Trestala

Ellipsoidal and elliptical are used in ASME VIII
If dishing and spinning are used the head is torispherical.
You haven´t answer my post Apr 15: do you perform any checks after the stress relieving the head?
 
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R6155......0.90D and 0.17D approximation is used widely. Compress uses this. The interpretation you provided merely states that the ellipsoidal head does not HAVE to match the .90D and .17D measurements.
Not everything needs to be built like the space shuttle. I have never checked strain on a head.
 
@ David3399

An acceptable approximation of a 2:1ellipsoidal head is one with a knuckle radius of 0.17D and a spherical radius of 0.90D, to simplify some calculations, but they are never applied to dimensional control of 2;1 ellipsoidal.
Have you ever performed dimensional control of the 2:1 ellipsoidal head?
Could you please mention which dimensions you controlled?
 
The calculated strain is an estimate and must be verified with post-forming measurements.
This is false.

If the measured strain is below the limit, stress relieving can be avoided.
Absolutely correct....let me jump on a plane to go measure this at the head manufacturing facility. Too bad they didn't have an approximation I could calculate instead.......oh wait.
 

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