Substandard Line Pipe 2

[CW3]

20" pipe purchased back in the 50's. P.O. states "substandard", and a related document mentions "Condition I, Condition II, and Spiral Weld" pipe. Now I understand spiral weld, but what is Condition I and Condition II.....????

Thanks

 

[rconner]

I see you have gotten no answer after a few days to your inquiry. I guess I know what a "purchase order" is, but am curious if you know what at least the subject of the "related document" is?

 

[MJCronin]

CW...

"Substandard" was the name of a piping supply company that operated out of Cleveland, Ohio from 1943 to 1961.

It was founded by John and Nathan Substandard, two brothers of Irish-German desent. They struggled financially through many years of shoddy business deals and a poor financial market. The two brothers sold both spiral wound and seamless pipe and fittings.

Unfortunately, thier supply business folded when many of thier customers ended up confusing the family business name with the quality of pipe offered.

The piping supply company was sold in the mid-sixties and later opened up under a variety of names.

Thought you would like to know.....

-MJC

 

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[zdas04]

I guess I missed this thread when it first came up.

If the pipe was purchased from someone other than the Substandard Brothers, the "substandard" notation means that the pipe failed some sort of inspection. Spiral Wound pipe in the '50s was notorious for poor welds and has really given spiral wound pipe a bad name. Any pipe made in the U.S. in the late '70s up until the mid '80s should have had a "substandard" stencil on it. Those really were the dark days of the US steel industry. As best as I've been able to tell, seamless pipe in the '50s was decent stuff but the welding processes were a bit lacking in consistenecy.

Typically, "Condition 1" means "new pipe, not previously owned by a consumer". "Condition 2" means "previously owned pipe that is fit for any service for which new pipe would be employed". Just for completeness, "Condition 3" is "previously owned pipe that is not fit for most services that new pipe would be put to". When people sell line pipe for fence posts it is Condition 3.

David