Determine PE and Heat Tolerance 1

[TPaulB]

Can someone shed some light for me on permeance coefficient (PC) for a specific magnet. We have an application when needs to operate in a fairly warm environment, and I understand that the PE is critical. My understanding is that even though the manufacture has noted the MaxOperationalTemperature of 80C, given the geometry the PE may cause it to be less?

So after doing searching and searching I came across a couple of PE calculators... I'm not sure how they are getting the information but something is not right..
The magnet is a Sintered NdFeB (Grade N52) ring (0.5"OD x 0.1875"ID x 0.0625" Thick) magnetized through thickness.

1)

http://www.intemag.com/calculators/Permeance_Coefficient_Calcs.html

(Yeild a PE answer of 0.354)
2)

http://www.magnetsales.com/Design/Calc_filles/PermeanceCoefficient-Ring.asp

(Yeilds a PE answer of 0.35)

These both jive so I assume this is a correct value.

The manufacture has provided two charts...
a) BH Graph (See file below)

http://files.engineering.com/getfil...d169-4250-aae4-7b75c33c7c05&file=BH-Graph.pdf

b) Demagnetization Chart (see file below)

http://files.engineering.com/getfil...9f-483b-b9fa-ad0fd19b9829&file=DemagChart.pdf

Questions:
1) These websites seem to be calculating the PC using some type of formula. What is the formula?
Obviously it is only dependant on the shape.

2) It was my understanding that the PC could also be derivied from the BH graph as PC=Hd/Bd (correct?)
By looking at the graph though that would put the PC at about .925, which isn't close to 0.35

3) Should the BH graph change for different size magnets of the same material/grade?

4) How do I read the Demag chart to determine the max temperature. The stated Max Temperature is 80C, but we have tried the magnet and it fails far below that. Its above the knee at 20C and below the knee at 50C.. but I can't image it wouldn't take 50C.. Am I missing something?

Obviously I'm making some wrong assumptions here, but I can't figure it out.

Paul

 

[TPaulB]

Sorry there are several references to PE.. these should all be PC not PE. Not sure why I put that. Didn't see any way to edit the post after it was submitted.

Cheers!
Paul

 

[sreid]

Ignoring fringing the PC is the length of the magnet divided by the length of the air gap. If your PC is 0.35 at 80 C for the magnetic material you have chosen you are well into the denag part of the curve [PC is the slope of a line from the orgin, a PC of 1 has a slope of 45 degrees].

There are grades of Neo RE magnets that have a straight line demag curve at 80 C. Look at the Magnetics website.

 

[langShawn]

Well, PC has two diff calculation, one for Br, one for Hcj. PC can be diff, according to the raw material. PC means Br/Hcj changes when temperature up/down. Be careful, shape also concerns. What we are talking should be standard blocks and columns, without tumbling and machining. N grade normally used in 80℃,working temperature means Br loss is less than 5% after 2 hours, under 80℃. And loss must be recoverable.

 

[Clyde38]

Questions:
1) These websites seem to be calculating the PC using some type of formula. What is the formula?
Obviously it is only dependant on the shape.

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[Clyde38]

4) How do I read the Demag chart to determine the max temperature. The stated Max Temperature is 80C, but we have tried the magnet and it fails far below that. Its above the knee at 20C and below the knee at 50C.. but I can't image it wouldn't take 50C.. Am I missing something?

I think this link should help you. . .

http://www.shinetsu-rare-earth-magnet.jp/e/design/

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